All that will be in that corner is when i start an ibo/customer drop an ibo/customer, and my percentage totals. My income overall will be kept to your emails in privacy. Not that I have anything to hide it’s just not public knowledge

Thanks
Tom

I understand the incentives are there, they have to be to get people interested. It is not to far from joining Sam’s Club to get discount items, except there are no tiers of savings. For all intensive purposes, Quixtar is an affiliate program which anyone can sign up and sell with.

The darker side is that there is a serious campaign that lures people in to buying products from Quixtar or through Quixtar. This results in a bit of an unrealistic consumption of products to keep point value. Myself, I have no interest in energy drinks, teas, or 95% of the products offered. Then again, I am not most people as I am a vegetarian and buy only brands I deem socially responsible (this is not an invitation to discuss whether QUixtar products are or are not socially responsible).

As for partnerships, I am partnered with Adobe, one of the largest software makers in the world. Was it difficult do become a partner? Not at all, I simply joined under their partner program. Doing a quick search and I see that anyone can be a Petco affiliate, a Barnes & Noble affiliate, and I’m sure the rest of the list that Quixtar holds. Anyone can partner with these companies, so long as you get your business license and Tax ID/EID number.

Maybe I should partner with all the partners that Quixtar did and sell their products on this website to demonstrate what I mean. You can do the same by buying a web domain like ‘ilovepuppiestodeath.com’ and selling petco.com products via the affiliate program.

Let it be publicly known that I will email you directly with access information to your own corner of this website to record your journey with Quixtar. I am interested to see if you can back up your two claims:

1. in 6 months you will be at the top of the Quixtar scale

2a. in 1 month you will have 8 IBOs who are active under you
2b. in 1 month you will have 4 customers that have placed at least one order

Are you ready?

I am at the 9% part of the scale, meaning I get 9% back on every dime I spend
You are my IBO and are at 3%, meaning you get three percent of your money back
I as your upline get my 9%pv (personal volume) plus the business’ 6%bv (business volume)

Meaning:
I spent 100 last month, I get $9
You spent 100 last month you get $3
Business spent 200 I get $12

My bonus check for that month is $21
So I spent $100 on stuff I needed and got $21 back as a thank you. And it does go up exponentially, all the way up to 25%

I (25%) get 25 back off that $100
You (15%) get $15 off your hundred
I (10%) get $20 of the BV
My total is $45
and that is w/o the bonuses and with only one IBO….. I when i start next month will have 8 IBOs and 4 customers….
Customers in this sense are people that have access to the site to shop and buy, just don’t see the rewards, all they get are the discounts.

And, as far as being overpriced. I live in PA and just bought a can of red bull ( the small one) for 3 dollars. I can go online and get XS which is a healthier energy drink, by the case, for approximately $2/can. So I honestly don’t see how they are shafting anyone as I have heard from other people in other forums. It’s not low quality, it doesn’t taste like crap, and if you don’t like it you have a prepaid return shipping label, you wend it back and get a 100% return of the money you spent on the product, no questions asked. Also look at the Affiliate websites that approached Quixtar to become a part of the website:
petmeds.com
barnesandnobles.com
shop.com
omahasteaks.com
petco.com
and many more….

surf quixtar.com and you will see what i am talking about…..
Later On
Tom

I must admit that your newest post has not improved in the category of readability, but after rereading it a couple times I got the gist. I’m going to be frank and open here, I was pushing your buttons and this response is real. You do need to consider the way you write. If you want to be effective in your online conquests, you must improve your English skills.

Myself, when I was in High School in the late 80s, I nearly failed my English courses, getting D’s and such. I excelled and majored in Math, Science, and Technology, but English didn’t interest me or connect with me. Besides being a web developer, a photographer, a business owner, and a myriad of other things, I am and have been a musician for years. I started my business as a means to be free of a 9 to 5 job so that I could have the flexibility to perform tours and such.

Over the past few days, I’ve been going through my song ideas an lyrics from the early 90s. What I’ve seen is terrible grammar and misspellings galore. I probably would have kept at that level, but thanks to the advent of BBSs and later the internet, I’ve been proactive about improving my English. As I’ve never been a book reader due to eye strain issues, I hadn’t had the visual memory of the correct spelling of words. Going online changed this as I don’t suffer from eyestrain with a monitor. I strengthened my skills when I became active in first BBS posting and later the internet with forums.

Who wants to look like an idiot? I certainly don’t. Who likes to be wrong? Maybe some depressed nut bags like it, but generally I’d say people like being right. People kill people to prove they are right every day. Obviously, it is vital to communicate as best as you can to prove your point. So I ask you to take some more time in preparing your posts. Read through them with the same fervor that you have in keeping this dialog going. If you don’t, you risk being discounted entirely.

Now, in response to your last post, you should have a look at the latest post on Achtung-Al, it may be down on Quixtar, but it also provides a good argument for why you should consider other revenue sources.

The main point about this site is not to say that you can’t make money with Quixtar, it is to bring to attention the unlikelihood of making money. You admitted that possibly 90% of those that try Quixtar fail. You have implied that the reason they fail is that they don’t stick with it and try to get better at it. You can make money and succeed, but only if you get enough people under you.

Now, have you considered the mental/spiritual ramifications of succeeding with Quixtar? It only works when you get enough people in your downline. As you know, the pressure is on the new IBOs to keep a point value, which in turn gets a lot of IBOs to buy from themselves in hopes that someone will buy products from them someday. This is entirely a stressful position to be in; to succeed they need to keep point value, but no one is buying, so they buy the products for themselves using the justification of ‘I could be buying similar products from other sources, but buying from myself keeps my point value.’

Do you not see the big picture?

The cast:
1. New IBOs who buy from themselves $200 a month worth of energy drinks and tea, and maybe some of the few commercial products that Quixtar offers at no savings when compared to a real grocery store.

2. The Lower Upline who have been with it for years who are constantly eying their coworkers at their day jobs as potential candidates for becoming their downline. They have managed to get a few people under them, so they feel better and buy less from themselves, but are trying hard to get to the point where their downline gets them to break even.

3. The Higher Upline who are mentoring the Lower Upline, urging them to sign as many people up as possible. Telling them to get their friends in family involved. Telling them to ask those folks if they would be interested in making an extra $1000 a month (the hook). The Higher Upline are more concerned about getting the Lower Upline to do the work for them as they have put in their time and spent more than enough to get there. Call it just dues.

4. The Organization made up from some Higher Upline that band together to create a bigger presence and circus in hopes to convince the Lower Upline and New IBOs that there is hope. These guys hold meetings, seminars which they may or may not charge for, provide tools for sale, and need to keep as many as possible below them in that position for as long as possible.

5. The Jewels made up of the top echelon who collect from everyone beneath them and do not need to do anything other than sit back and collect. These guys just want to showboat to encourage the millions that try Quixtar to keep with it, that they too can be on that stage.

These five ‘characters’ I described above function so that the lowest try to climb up top, but those at the top only want those beneath to keep trying no matter the cost or chance of success. It makes them money. The system needs churn of those who try and never succeed, the ones that buy $200 worth of products each month to keep the overall sales figures high.

Do you not get it? The idea is to suck you dry and keep you in the system long enough until you realize it is heartless and nearly impossible. Until you realize that in order to succeed, you need to cause financial suffering for all those below you. It isn’t a win-win scenario, it is a profit-loss scenario.

If you compound all the time spent in training, at meetings, doing research, and reading the tools suggested, how is that profitable? You could have gotten a second job at WalMart and made $2000 - $5000 a year extra.

Face it, if you want to make $1000 in a day, you will need to find a different source of revenue and work for it.

Also, the independent reviews I got from Al’s friends that tried the Quixtar products were that they don’t want to order a case of an exclusive energy drink through a friend, they want to go to the store and choose a drink from a wall of coolers.

Eliminate all those people as though they were never started, and all of the sudden that 90% drops to approximately 25%.

Now the realizm, the other 25%, wrong area.
For example, I give you a blank check and tell you to open a KFC. Will you open it in Newark, NJ or the California Hills?
I open in Newark, another opens in Brooklyn, another opens in Washington D.C., You open in Beverly Hills….. You are the 25% failure, not because I messed up, because you placed in the wrong demographic.

Same concept. Not rocket science, Common Sense.

All that’s left is the Success stories, if you open a business of any kind and fail, you blame yourself… right? So why is it you start a business with quixtar and fail it’s Quixtar’s fault?

I personnaly have sampled some of their products available at their website and you know what, It’s better than the avg store carries. XS energy Drinks, 0 carbs 0 sugar, makes red bull look like Kool Aid, and tastes great. Their energy bars taste like the package says, and not like a vitamin store. For those who would knock this business, try it first. If you did and failed… Why did you fail?

My kid and I are walking down the street, I trip and fall to one knee because a tree root lifted the sidewalk. It’s not the homeowner’s fault. It’s not my kid’s fault. I should have been watching were I was going.

1. Is there an online quiz site that determines whether one is an intellectual or not? I’m a rocket scientist. Does saying that mean it is true?

2. Great! I would love to chronicle your rise to riches. If you are game, I’ll give you access to post here as long as you scan and post your expenses, your purchases, and your returns.

3. The point of communication is to convey. Your English difficulties and writing style make it difficult for others to understand you. This is why I attempted to translate your first garbled post. Thanks to the internet moving toward ‘Web 2.0′, anyone can post anything that may or may not be capable of communicating effectively.

4. See above.

Supposition, supposition, supposition. You clearly have a warped sense of reality and you clearly are not as intelligent as I am. Short sentences work well for you, I suggest keeping to them.

Just because it doesn’t work for everybody does not make it a scam. Also if you would do your research, you would understand that by “selling” they are refering to customers you have set up to, themselves, shop at the website, and buy what they need, nothing more….
This whole glorified idea you peddlers try to push about having to all but open a store and sell at a markup, is a joke…. You’re all beligereent asses!

As far as the knowledge I have accquired by looking into the negative claims about Quixtar, lets refer back to the Dateline expose, where they mention one guy who walked away after making “Diamond” because he didn’t like the founding principles he thought he discovered…. What did he do? He turned around and opened an ecommerce business not to far from the one he bashed, Quixtar….

I have done my homework, I have read the literature, I have looked for the “warranted” negatives, and you know what…..

On a final note, Walmart had more lawsuits in the past year, of all types and classifications, than Amway Global/Quixtar has had since it’s conception….. Yet you dan’t call wallmart a scam?

I get it, if you don’t understand the cover than the content isn’t worth your time. You don’t understand Quixtar, so instead of looking into it to further understand how it works, you declare it a scam and go about your miserable 25,000/yr life…..

I have three kids and a decent life, I want to improve it and have a stable support structure that i can depend on whether business related or not….

You don’t understand it
You don’t want to understand it
Your problem, Not mine, Not Quixtar’s

Let me know if you change your mind…..
Like the Matrix
Yellow Pill - I’ll show you how far the rabbit hole goes
Blue Pill - You’ll wake up and it was all a dream

I am looking, do you have something to show me? From your first sentence, I can sense the caliber of person your are, which isn’t going to support your argument much. Your comment breaks down as follows:

Sentences (and sentence fragments):
1. Opening plea
2. Informing insult
3. Supposition with no basis of merit
4. Inquisitive positioning
5-6. Abusive and assumptive explanation with no basis for merit
7. Abusive and assumptive explanation with no basis for merit
8. Abusive query
9. Declaration of attempt
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10. Cliche attempt to prove worth
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11. Cyclic logic that is both assumptive and impossible
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12. Accusative query

Now that I’ve analyzed your comment, let’s rework it in to something more understandable for the rest of the readers:

NewIBO Says: (Translated)

(1)I’d like the attention of those who do not believe in Quixtar. (2)I recently became an independent business owner that will need to sell a certain amount of products to my friends, my family, and myself to reach a quota. In doing so, I will ensure that the IBO that I signed under gets their just dues and all the IBOs stacked above them.

By the way, I believe anyone that sees this type of business as a scam to be a he-she-what-is-it that can’t function in society at large. (3)These types of people who refuse to ignore the warning signs of a scam are dead set against wasting years of their lives and funneling thousands of dollars in to a dream that is millions try to make reality. These mindful people probably don’t clearly understand that millions of people working from their houses shilling a limited line of exclusive products devalues the demand and appeal.

(4)I’ve read some valid news sources and some Quixtar propaganda that have opposing views. Would you care to know what I have found out? (5-6)I’ve learned that the average person who lost money in Quixtar was in fact an unintelligent sub-species of mankind left over from the ice age that can’t envision a future filled with gold plated jets and palatial homes all from selling energy drinks. As their brains are ill-equipped to understand what can be with a fractional return on each sale that only matters if you sucker and sign up someone in to selling the same products. They don’t understand that buying $200 of energy drinks a month from yourself for the first year is just a small price to pay until you acquire enough dedicated Quixtar IBOs underneath yourself. The losses are marginal when compared to the return that I expect will happen at some point because the people at the top told me it *could* happen.

(7)I would fathom a guess that many who masturbate are not interested in Quixtar because they suspect it is a scam. They are those who would willingly spend thousands for a gleeful return of ten dollars. This is not in any way how Quixtar works.

(8)I wonder what happens when you please all of your wriggling small fishing bait???

(9)Personally, I’m hoping that despite my lack of understanding English and spelling, I will be able to finally make some money without advancing my education thanks to Quixtar.

(10)Point #1.
I strongly believe it makes sense to not run your company in the red for years if you are not able to *guess* that it will succeed in the end. Being an entrepreneur is a bad idea because of the risk versus the possible outcome.

(11)Point #2.
I also strongly believe that everyone likes to buy energy drinks, and that somehow Quixtar is cheaper than WalMart which operates across the globe and has stores within 30 miles from all points in the United States. I also get a small percentage of savings which is nothing like a shopping club discount offered by every mainstay grocer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(12)Who really is not Kosher? “Attention”

Common Sense Fact #1
Don’t spend more on your business than it’s projected total income.

Common Sense Fact #2
The “Junk” I’m buying is the same Crap you buy….. Only difference is YOU pay MORE and I just get PAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who’s The Real Nazi “ACHTUNG”

“There’s over a million IBOs in North America alone. A million. That dateline show focussed on one seminar of a few thousand. What percentage of a million is that?”

And there probably 20 million former IBO’s who had bad experiences with quickstar. What percentige is that?